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Madshus hired a 22-year-old from Harvard University to build the flagship ski
– We really started by throwing most of the established measurement parameters
Now the Norwegian ski factory can launch the newly developed Redline 3.0 a full year ahead of schedule.
This is a repost from www.langrenn.com
Madshus’s new engineer Connor Green, a young American with a degree from Harvard University in Boston, has helped the Norwegian ski factory to launch the newly developed Redline 3.0 one year ahead of schedule.
The skis are a further development of the skis that Hans Christer Holund went on when he won the World Cup gold at five mileage in Seefeld last year.
“The changes we’ve made to the Redline skis in both skating and classic have proven to make such big differences that we couldn’t wait until next year to launch them, which would be the usual two-year cycle for planned launches,” Green tells Langrenn. com.Cross Country.com .
– In a way, Redline 3.0 is a further development, because the shape and geometry of the ski is the same as the 2.0 models. But we have changed the structure inside the skis, changed the materials and the composition of them, and changed the chamber heights, so that is a small revolution, he says.
Green has been working on development and testing in the Redline 3.0 project since he was hired at Madshus in August 2018.
He explains that the way this ski is constructed is fundamentally groundbreaking in several ways.
– When we started this ski, we really started by throwing most of the established measurement parameters and traditional development models for ski construction on the boat and started to think completely about what values are crucial to how to build a ski, says he.
Just what is different about Redline 3.0?
– We have changed the construction and the materials to make it easier to produce skis with the right bearing capacity for different driving conditions, we have changed the shape and height of the chamber, and we use more carbon on some parts of the ski. It gives a stiffer ski and more dynamic skiing for both styles, but without compromising the ability to securely attach to the classic skis.
“The result is that all skis are faster, operate in multiple temperature and lead conditions, and they work optimally for a wider range of runners,” says Green.
Why did you fundamentally start over with the construction of these skis?
– Modern cross-country skiing is much more force-based and offensive than many of the traditional parameters for measurement and ski construction were established, says Connor Green.
From Static to Dynamic Approach
Green explains that in the past, one usually measured and based the ski’s properties on load at full compression and half compression, that is, the type in the full kick transfer kick and when skating on both skis, such as when striking or sitting in hockey .
This is partly outdated because the technical development in cross-country has made the runners’ movement patterns today different from when the parameters and measuring instruments were developed.
– Previously, the skis were marked with flex values in kilos, which stated how many kilos it took to push the ski completely flat on the ground. This value was used to pick skis, normally by finding a flex value that corresponded to the runner’s body weight plus 10 to 20 kilos to account for the power the runner generates when kicking.
– Then you would get a ski they could both get in full contact with the surface during the sliding phase and thus optimal sliding, he says to Langrenn.com.Cross Country.com .
Now they would start at the other end, looking at the movement pattern in modern cross-country skiing and what requirements it places on skiing characteristics. This gives both a better ski and it is easier to hit precisely with the ski closure.
– If you look at how today’s world cup runners are skating, they send the power down the skis and the substrate instead of side to side, as they did when the technique was developed in the 1980s.
– Today’s technique requires a more dynamic and resilient ski that returns more of the power the runner develops against the ground.
– It also requires a way of marking skis, which gives a better and more detailed picture of the ski’s properties than the flex values do.
– That’s why we now use values such as balance point and chamber height at full and half weight, which says more about how dynamic the ski is, says Green.
Involves runners in testing and development The
development process for new ski models consists of several phases, and begins with a lot of internal testing. Then the athletes also get to try out the various prototypes, both in formal testing and on running and training.
– Often we get the runners to test skis during interval sessions. One session we often use is 8×3 minutes of competitive speed. Then the runners get six ships from us, plus they have two own ships, and then they go with each ship. We note all the times of the suit and can then compare how the skis behave at high speed, says Green.
For other types of testing, such as chamber height, the ski developers are more concerned with qualitative feedback.
Such tests are also often conducted as interval sessions, but in addition to pure numerical data, the developers are looking for descriptions of specific characteristics of the skis, such as stability, perceived slippage and ski feeling.
– In this type of test we depend on practitioners who are good at expressing meaningfulness and who can observe differences by adjusting the technique to optimize the prototypes we test.
– Therefore it is also useful that several practitioners with different techniques test the skis. They like to highlight different elements and aspects of the skiing properties, and that gives us a greater range of feedback, says Green.
– It’s not that useful to us if a runner says the skis are good. Yes, but good for what? Were they good today? Or are the good ones compared to the other skis you have? And in what way are they good?
– Other runners are very good at describing the experience of the ski, for example if it accelerates well under the foot, whether it feels better, worse or identical to other skis, and whether it responds well to creating speed, he says.
Impressed and humble
Connor Green himself went active cross country as a junior and at university level while studying at Harvard.
The young American is both impressed and humbled that an old Norwegian ski factory with long traditions is so forward-leaning that they dare to throw everything on the boat, start from scratch and take in a newly graduated engineer from a country with no essential traditions for cross-country skiing.
At the same time, Green believes that the background from both skiing and the engineering degree from Harvard gives him a good starting point.
– The Harvard education has provided me with the foundation to teach me how to see the problems and challenges and then find ways and methods to solve them. It is directly relevant to the job here at Madshus.
– And since I’m incredibly passionate about skiing and skiing, this has really become a dream for me, says Connor Green, who is originally from Rochester, New York.
WOW, we are starting the 12th Season now in the shop. Every few years we feel it is good to update the look in the shop. We started renovating at the beginning of April and have a few weeks to go. Things are getting a NEW NORDIC look to things. Though we enjoy this as our other business (Burnell’s Decor) is in the Design Business.
Here are a few pics of some of the spaces- More to come SOON!
April 2020 we begin our 12th season of being Out There. It is really CRAZY to think that time has flown by. This Spring Season has been the most crazy with the COVID-19 situation. Although it has created some more quiet days in the shop, ended the competition season soon for most of the Team Out There athletes, it has been good for a number of things.
REST– One much needed thing that after a long season of race service and/or competition is always great.
REFLECTION – Each Spring we in the shop try to sit down and look back at the last year, see how things are in the shop, service, etc. and see what went well and where there in room for improvement. Also it is a time when we like to chat with the athletes we work with and see their direction for the upcoming season and look to see who maybe retiring from competition and who is interested in working with us in the FUTURE.
SALES– This is often a time where we are motivated to move CLOSEOUTS and are hustling to move the balance of last season’s product, discontinued items, etc. With the current COVID situation we have cut back on this to allow folks to deal with many NEW things happening in their own lives. If folks are looking though we can still help them out.
At the current time we are still offering shipping of orders as well as curbside pick up. We are working also on ski selection for the upcoming season with Madshus & Fischer for both Jr & Adult skiers. This is something we ultimately would like to have notification for by April 30th 2020.
Shop Hours– We are always available via email
We are normally in the shop currently Mon- Fri from around 9am until 3 or 4pm. If you do not reach us ALWAYS feel free to leave us a message and we will get back with you.
Where do we ALL go from here?
We are working hard to continue to bring you High Level Service, NEW and exciting products and NEW Training Opportunities and much more.
Thank You for everyone’s continued support and we look forward to seeing all of YOU Out There Soon!
The Norwegians are #BornToSki and Madshus the Oldest ski manufacturer continues to lead the way in INNOVATION. When the REDLINE ski entered the market a number of years ago it started to change the feel that Fast skis give as you glide down the trail. Madshus has continued with that innovation with the 1.0 & 2.0 versions. Well now we are looking forward tot the 2020/21 Season and once again they are leading the way with the NEW 3.0
(Pic is of some of the current DEMO’s we have in 3.0 skate & classic)
If you are interested in getting some 3.0’s under YOUR feet for the next season email us
We are currently getting things together for ski picking for next season. Our partnership with the Madshus Race Room in Norway allows us to have fantastic ski picking for the Jr, Elite & Master athletes we work with.
We are putting together a package for folks for the Fastenal Parallel 45 & The MN XC Ski World Cup event happening next March in Minneapolis at Theo Wirth. This will include Transportation (Charter bus) to and from the Rice Lake Area, Event Tickets for the World Cup Sprint Events and Food. There will be limited space for this to approx 26 people. We hope to have finalized details up within two weeks. Please let us know if this is of interest to you. From the few folks we have spoken with we think the spots will go quickly.
Better get a SPOT soon as we have 2 spots left (10.25.19)– MNWC2020
Let’s All Get OUT THERE for the FIS Cross-Country Skiing World Cup!!!
Looking to do a Camp this next Summer?
Interested in Scholarship Opportunities from Out There Nordic?
As we are always looking for ways to be Out There Growing Nordic we are implementing a NEW Scholarship Program. For athletes who utilize Out There Nordic race service at the Youth Cup, Junior Cup or Senior Nationals events they will have the opportunity to apply for Scholarships to help off-set the cost of Summer Training Camps beginning in the Summer 2020 Season. The Application Period will open in Early February 2020 and be open for approximately two weeks with the Scholarship winners being announced around April 2nd. 2020. This is only available to athletes utilizing OTN for Race service and for camps with USSA Clubs, or Regional & National Governing Body Programs. Stay Tuned!
As the sun set last evening on another Birkie Week, we would just like to say Thank You to our AMAZING Nordic Family. From customers and friends from around the globe who support us in what we do. To some AMAZING athletes Out There- @jjyeaton on her 50k Women’s skate WIN & @nichbathe on her 54km Women’s Classic WIN. Also to two other #AmazingLadiesOutThere @krishanson24 & @jasminewiley for helping to make crushing FAST skis this week. Congrats to @per_hanson01 on his 18th place Korte Skate finish and to all of our friends who as the sunset helped cheer in this determined Wave 70 classic skier rolling in at the end of the day.
#BestFamilyOutThere #TeamOutThere #ThePlacesYouWillGoWhenYou
Well it’s the time of year we open our American Birkie Waxing Service. As always this is a Limited offering. For the past 10 seasons we have increased the number of skis each year and we continue to fill up.
We will be testing the full week leading up to the race on the Birkie Trail, working to provide the Best Service Out There!
For more details: Birkie Race Service
Reminder we have Drop locations in Madison & Stillwater. Once you have registered we will contact you with all of those bits of info!
Service is now FULL for the 2020 Events.
This past week we had our first run at providing Race Service at the US Cross Country Championships in Houghton MI.
We were there providing race support to a number of Junior athletes from the Central Region as well as other types of support to a number of Elite athletes who are friends & members of Team Out There.
It was a great opportunity to see the Highest Level of the Sport in our Country. These athletes are truly the FUTURE of our sport in this country and they are ripping it up.
As we begin to look forward to the upcoming race season we are getting out info on our Junior Race Service. For the 2019/20 Season we will again be providing Race Support at the Midwest & Great Lakes Junior National Qualifying Races: Space is LIMITED so get a spot soon
Midwest: Athletes from Minnesota, North & South Dakota, Iowa
Dec 14-15 Duluth MN (SUPER JNQ) Classic Sprint – Freestyle IND
Dec 21-22 Houghton MI (Super JNQ) Freestyle Sprint – Classic Mass Start
Jan 18-19 Mt. Itasca MN (MW JNQ) Classic Mass Start – Freestyle Individual Start
Feb 16-17 Theo Wirth MSP, MN (MW JNQ) Freestyle Sprint (Cross components) – Classic Individual Start
Great Lakes: Athletes from Wisconsin & Michigan –
Dec 14-15 Duluth, MN. (Super JNQ) Classic Sprint – Freestyle IND
Dec 21-22 Houghton MI (Super JNQ) Freestyle Sprint – Classic Mass Start
Jan 25-26 Cable WI (GLD JNQ) Classic Sprint – Freestyle Mass Start
Feb 15-16 Houghton, MI (GLD JNQ) Freestyle IND – Classic Mass Start
For more information please email us.